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<div class="">Absolutely. I think part of the challenge is to show that adding data to aggregators can yield real, tangible benefits. Part of the problem is that such benefits are often not obvious, or indeed, available. If aggregators could offer richer ways
of augmenting data (e.g., “oh, I see you’ve added these specimens, did you know that they’ve been cited in these papers, are vouchers for these sequences. that these taxonomic names have changed recently, etc.) then I think might might also help encourage
people to see value in doing this, rather than simply checking the box marked “send data to aggregator”. </div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class="">It seems insane to us on the aggregator / technical side of things, but we get a ton of collections people telling us at iDigBio "We've never been able to look at our data on a map before." Or they do know how
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that come up are things that GBIF itself can detect and flag. In my experience, there are issues that the provider was unaware of, but become apparent once the data is exposed by GBIF. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default">For example, here’s a case of a data set supplied to GBIF with a serious error <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://github.com/ttu-vertnet/ttu-mammals/issues/12" class="">https://github.com/ttu-vertnet/ttu-mammals/issues/12</a>
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<div class="gmail_default">As you saw in the other message, the main problem that we have now is have the same voucher represented twice because NYBG had a DIGIR source and now have an IPT source. People at NYBG said that they ask GBIF to remove DIGIR, but
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<div class="gmail_default">Here at the National Center for Flora Conservation - CNCFlora, at the risk assessments, we just use occurrences that were validated by experts, taxonomically and spatially. This information may be useful, especially if the expert
made some correction or comment on the occurrence. I can see that this is related with annotation initiatives, such as AnnoSys and FilteredPush. In my ideal and fantastic world, we would have an annotation feature on GBIF occurrences, where experts can interact
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