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It seems insane to us on the aggregator / technical side of things,
but we get a ton of collections people telling us at iDigBio "We've
never been able to look at our data on a map before." Or they do
know how to use mapping tools, but they've only ever looked at a
handful of points at once, and never the thousand or so that form
the X=Y straight line.<br>
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Part of the solution to that we're trying to get across is to really
get providers to come to iDigBio and interact with their own data in
our systems. This is both because we want feedback on how it comes
out, and because we're trying to build a sense of engagement with
the process. We (as a community) desperately need collections to see
data publishing as less "throwing data over the fence" and more of a
collaborative effort with aggregators.<br>
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People have been criticizing aggregated biodiversity data quality
for years, but its rare that I meet anyone who views themselves as
part of the solution. Its just an impediment to getting the "real
work" done.<br>
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- Alex<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/15/2015 10:04 AM, Roderic Page
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about data improvement should be sent directly to the
data provider but, please, if there is something else
let me know.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">In an ideal world, yes the
feedback should go to the data provider, things get
fixed, then GBIF gets updated. However, data providers
don’t always have the resources to fix things. I’m also
interested in how many of the data issues that come up
are things that GBIF itself can detect and flag. In my
experience, there are issues that the provider was
unaware of, but become apparent once the data is exposed
by GBIF. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default">For example, here’s a case of a
data set supplied to GBIF with a serious error <a
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This was obvious in GBIF simply by looking at the map,
but apparently not to the data provider (this error has
now been fixed).</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">The more we know about the sort
of errors that can happen, the better placed we are to
develop tools to catch them.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">As you saw in the other
message, the main problem that we have now is have
the same voucher represented twice because NYBG
had a DIGIR source and now have an IPT source.
People at NYBG said that they ask GBIF to remove
DIGIR, but still there. Maybe it occurs with other
sources as well.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">Related with the feedback
of the data cleaning process I'm indeed interested
in this discussion, but I'm not sure if this list
is the best forum to do it.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">Here at the National
Center for Flora Conservation - CNCFlora, at the
risk assessments, we just use occurrences that
were validated by experts, taxonomically and
spatially. This information may be useful,
especially if the expert made some correction or
comment on the occurrence. I can see that this is
related with annotation initiatives, such as
AnnoSys and FilteredPush. In my ideal and
fantastic world, we would have an annotation
feature on GBIF occurrences, where experts can
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login.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">However, what is usual is
the duplication of efforts for georeferencing the
legacy occurrences. For example, different
efforts, methodologies and uncertainty levels have
been applied in different duplicates of the same
occurrence, held by different herbaria.</div>
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feedback about data improvement should be sent
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there is something else let me know.</div>
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<div class="">it would be interesting to have
example of the kinds of problems you encounter
with GBIF data, so that we can look at was to
fix the problems. It would also be interesting
to know whether you would be able to provide
GBIF with the corrections you make to GBIF data.
It seems clear that lots of people are cleaning
data in their own projects, but that doesn’t
filter back to GBIF.</div>
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with these tools
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OpenRefine, etc.) is that
they are just data
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CNC Flora workflow, the data
from GBIF is useless the way
it is, because it have to be
validated first,
taxonomically and spatially.
Only after the process of
the cleaning, georeferencing
and validation with the
expert, the data will be
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